Šta se radi...a ima veze sa....

Re: Šta se radi...a ima veze sa....

PostPostao/la micro » Čet stu 12, 2026 8:34 pm

Ja nisam koristio mikrocipoe primjere , preradio iz linux cnc , pid kalkulaciju i ona je imala prioritet u izvodenju , vremenski prekid je pokrece oko 1000 do 5000 puta u sekundi , enkoder se ocitava hardverski , pid kalkulacija ima prioritet ostalo je nebitno da kontrola motora radi kako treba. Mislim da tako nesto u basicu i ostalim programima ne radi.

Recimo malo preradjena pid kontrola iz linuxcnc-a. Neke stvari nisu previse bitne recimo ff0 i ff1 , to mozes i da izbacis. tmp1 ti je rezultat pid kalkulacije koju sam upucavao u pwm.

/********************************************************************
* Description: pid.c
* This file, 'pid.c', is a single
* Proportional/Integeral/Derivative control loop used
* for a single axis of position control. It was derived from
* GPL2'd code by John Kasunich in the EMC2 project.
* Copyright (C) 2003 John Kasunich
* <jmkasunich AT users DOT sourceforge DOT net>
* Please do not bother John with support questions for this software.
* Significant changes have been made to support running on a small
* pic 30fxxxx processor controlling a single axis servo driver.
* This derived work is also released under GPL 2 and is copy
*/

/*
The three most important components are 'command', 'feedback', and
'output'. For a position loop, 'command' and 'feedback' are
in position units. For a linear axis, this could be inches,
mm, metres, or whatever is relavent. Likewise, for a angular
axis, it could be degrees, radians, etc. The units of the
'output' pin represent the change needed to make the feedback
match the command. As such, for a position loop 'Output' is
a velocity, in inches/sec, mm/sec, degrees/sec, etc.

Each loop has several other pins as well. 'error' is equal to
'command' minus 'feedback'. 'enable' is a bit that enables
the loop. If 'enable' is false, all integrators are reset,
and the output is forced to zero. If 'enable' is true, the
loop operates normally.

The PID gains, limits, and other 'tunable' features of the
loop are implemented as parameters. These are as follows:

Pgain Proportional gain
Igain Integral gain
Dgain Derivative gain
bias Constant offset on output
FF0 Zeroth order Feedforward gain
FF1 First order Feedforward gain
deadband Amount of error that will be ignored
maxerror Limit on error
maxerrorI Limit on error integrator
maxerrorD Limit on error differentiator
maxcmdD Limit on command differentiator
maxoutput Limit on output value

All of the limits (max____) are implemented such that if the
parameter value is zero, there is no limit.

errorI Integral of error
errorD Derivative of error
commandD Derivative of the command

The PID loop calculations are as follows (see the code for
all the nitty gritty details):

error = command - feedback
if ( abs(error) < deadband ) then error = 0
limit error to +/- maxerror
errorI += error * period
limit errorI to +/- maxerrorI
errorD = (error - previouserror) / period
limit errorD to +/- paxerrorD
commandD = (command - previouscommand) / period
limit commandD to +/- maxcmdD
output = bias + error * Pgain + errorI * Igain +
errorD * Dgain + command * FF0 + commandD * FF1
limit output to +/- maxoutput

*/


/** This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
modify it under the terms of version 2.1 of the GNU General
Public License as published by the Free Software Foundation.
This library is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the
GNU General Public License for more details.

You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public
License along with this library; if not, write to the Free Software
Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place, Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111 USA

*/
#include "dspicservo.h"


/***********************************************************************
* STRUCTURES AND GLOBAL VARIABLES *
************************************************************************/

/* our servo loop data variable */
struct PID pid;

/***********************************************************************
* LOCAL FUNCTION DECLARATIONS *
************************************************************************/
void calc_pid(void);
void init_pid(void);

void init_pid(void)
{
/* init all structure members */
//pid.enable = SVO_ENABLE; // mirror state of PIN
LED1=1;
pid.enable = 0;
pid.command = 0.0;
pid.feedback = 0.0;
pid.error = 0.0;
pid.output = 0.0;
pid.deadband = 0.0;
pid.maxerror = 1000.0;
pid.maxerror_i = 0.0;
pid.maxerror_d = 0.0;
pid.maxcmd_d = 0.0;
pid.error_i = 0.0;
pid.prev_error = 0.0;
pid.error_d = 0.0;
pid.prev_cmd = 0.0;
pid.limit_state = 0;
pid.cmd_d = 0.0;
pid.bias = 0.0;
pid.pgain = 0.0;
pid.igain = 0.0;
pid.dgain = 0.0;
pid.ff0gain = 0.0;
pid.ff1gain = 0.0;
pid.maxoutput = 100; // max PWM DC
pid.multiplier = 1;
pid.ticksperservo = 2; // 1000us/servo calc
}


/***********************************************************************
* REALTIME PID LOOP CALCULATIONS *
* this code is embedded inside a periodic ISR that defines the servo
* loop timing.
*
************************************************************************/
void calc_pid( void )
{
float tmp1;
int enable;
float periodfp, periodrecip;
long period = pid.ticksperservo * 100000; /* thread period in ns */

/* precalculate some timing constants */
periodfp = period * 0.000000001; // usually .001 sec
periodrecip = 1.0 / periodfp; // usually 1000.0
/* get the enable bit */
enable = pid.enable;
/* calculate the error */
tmp1 = (float)(pid.command - pid.feedback);
pid.error = tmp1;
/* apply error limits */
if (pid.maxerror != 0.0)
{
if (tmp1 > pid.maxerror)
{
tmp1 = pid.maxerror;
}
else if (tmp1 < -pid.maxerror)
{
tmp1 = -pid.maxerror;
}
}
/* apply the deadband */
if (tmp1 > pid.deadband)
{
tmp1 -= pid.deadband;
}
else if (tmp1 < -pid.deadband)
{
tmp1 += pid.deadband;
}
else
{
tmp1 = 0;
}

/* do integrator calcs only if enabled */
if (enable != 0)
{
/* if output is in limit, don't let integrator wind up */
if ( pid.limit_state == 0 )
{
/* compute integral term */
pid.error_i += tmp1 * periodfp;
}
/* apply integrator limits */
if (pid.maxerror_i != 0.0)
{
if (pid.error_i > pid.maxerror_i)
{
pid.error_i = pid.maxerror_i;
}
else if (pid.error_i < -pid.maxerror_i)
{
pid.error_i = -pid.maxerror_i;
}
}
}
else
{
/* not enabled, reset integrator */
pid.error_i = 0;
}

/* calculate derivative term */
pid.error_d = (tmp1 - pid.prev_error) * periodrecip;
pid.prev_error = tmp1;
/* apply derivative limits */
if (pid.maxerror_d != 0.0)
{
if (pid.error_d > pid.maxerror_d)
{
pid.error_d = pid.maxerror_d;
}
else if (pid.error_d < -pid.maxerror_d)
{
pid.error_d = -pid.maxerror_d;
}
}

/* calculate derivative of command */
pid.cmd_d = (float)(pid.command - pid.prev_cmd) * periodrecip;
pid.prev_cmd = pid.command;

/* apply derivative limits */
if (pid.maxcmd_d != 0.0)
{
if (pid.cmd_d > pid.maxcmd_d)
{
pid.cmd_d = pid.maxcmd_d;
}
else if (pid.cmd_d < -pid.maxcmd_d)
{
pid.cmd_d = -pid.maxcmd_d;
}
}

/* do output calcs only if enabled */
if (enable != 0)
{
/* calculate the output value */
tmp1 =
pid.bias + pid.pgain * tmp1 +
pid.igain * pid.error_i +
pid.dgain * pid.error_d;
tmp1 += pid.command * pid.ff0gain + pid.cmd_d * pid.ff1gain;
/* apply output limits */
if (pid.maxoutput != 0.0)
{
if (tmp1 > pid.maxoutput)
{
tmp1 = pid.maxoutput;
pid.limit_state = 1;
}
else if (tmp1 < -pid.maxoutput)
{
tmp1 = -pid.maxoutput;
pid.limit_state = 1;
}
else
{
pid.limit_state = 0;
}
}
}
else
{
/* not enabled, force output to zero */
tmp1 = 0.0;
pid.limit_state = 0;
}

pid.output = tmp1;
/* done */
}
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Re: Šta se radi...a ima veze sa....

PostPostao/la micro » Čet stu 12, 2026 8:45 pm

A dio koji ide u pwm, ovo output mi je valjda trebalo dalje jer za promjenu smjera je dovoljno dir=0 ili dir=1 , lijevo desno ovako izgleda suplje u prazno dva puta mijenjam predznak na rezultatu pid-a ;)

// the direction
if ( output >= 0.0 )
temp_dir = 1;
else
{
temp_dir = 0;
output = -output;
}

if(temp_dir){
temp =(float) (FCY/FPWM)*(output/100);
temp =(FCY/FPWM)+temp;
if(temp>pwm_max){
temp=pwm_max;
}

PDC3=temp;

}
if(!temp_dir){
temp =(float) (FCY/FPWM)*(output/100);
temp=(FCY/FPWM)-temp;
if(temp<pwm_min){
temp=pwm_min;
}

PDC3=temp;

}
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Re: Šta se radi...a ima veze sa....

PostPostao/la Bepone » Čet stu 12, 2026 10:41 pm

micro napisao:Radio sam i sa ubuntua i sa windows-a. Prije samo sa win jer je mikrocipov softver radio samo sa win. Sa Mplab radi i na ubuntu. Prije programirao sa starim ICD2 a kasnije sa pickit3 a prije oba sa nekim ruskim programatorom.

iman i ja pickit 2, ovaj LCD display se pogoni sa PIC16F872 koji je zastario.. ali ih trosim na to
micro napisao:Imas za pogon bldc i ac servo motora gotove primjere.
Da li radis kontrolu motora preko hal sensora ili resolvera , veci okretni moment ili ides bez senzora polozaj rotora , na to ne mislim enkoder.

ne koristim gotove primjere , samo gledan kako hardverski spojit taj CIPOS IGBT modul.. koje vrednosti..trenutno je na servo motoru spojen direktno samo enkoder, ma suprotnoj strani osovine 2500 impulsa A, B, Z.. cisto za upravljanje i d avidim kako PIC to obradjuje u novijim serijama..ostalo nije potrebno ja mislim jer ce to bit za motalicu trafa a to ne treba nikakva pretjerana preciznost.. mehanicki citac okretaja spojen na osovinu koji ima prioritet (vidni)
micro napisao:Sa DC motorom je bilo jednostavno on ne treba povratnu vezu polozaja rotora osim enkodera i DC servo motori (imaju min 4 para cetkica i bolji kvalitet izrade ) imaju veliki okretni moment i rade dobro na malim brzinama ne postoji tkz koging..

taj prvo motor koji mislim upogonit i je servo DC, znaci od ovog 3f drive IGBTa koristit ce se 2 faze..
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Re: Šta se radi...a ima veze sa....

PostPostao/la Bepone » Čet stu 12, 2026 10:44 pm

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Re: Šta se radi...a ima veze sa....

PostPostao/la micro » Čet stu 12, 2026 11:30 pm

Hoces gotov hex ako nadjem , ali je za dspic30f4011 30MHz verzija, jedino se komanduje sa step dir enable komandama , treba neki H most. Setuje se preko nekog usb serijskog cipa ili PCB , ispise ti sam u nekom programu koji podrzava serijski port ili emulaciju na usb.

setujes PID i ostalo preko njega i snimis i to radi provjereno , napravili jedno 20 komada , mislim da nemam vise ni jedan taj dspic a i sada su dosta skupi u mouseru 6,15E a zanimljivo 20MHz je jos skuplji 7,5E kom

Nadji jos nekog sa DC servo motorom da pravi motalicu , pa je jeftinije narucivanje nekoliko komada a i PCB :)
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Re: Šta se radi...a ima veze sa....

PostPostao/la micro » Čet stu 12, 2026 11:31 pm

Ovaj tvoj preko redukcije time belt 1:2 moze direktno da mota zicu , to je oko 200W motoric ako se ne varam. I nadjes jedan mali da slaze zicu lijevo desno , samo ti trebaju dva drajvera.
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Re: Šta se radi...a ima veze sa....

PostPostao/la micro » Čet stu 12, 2026 11:51 pm

Nije dspic30f4011 vec 4012 znaci 28 pinska verzija.

Ono dolje ti je strujno ogranicenje , spaja se na neki jaki otpor 0,1 ili manje ohma , na konektoru 5 i 6 . Izlaz za relej ukljucuje visoki napon kad se mikrokontroler probudi. Ostalo ti je sve jasno po oznakama na pinovima.
A strujna regulacija se namjesta na shemi nacrtano pot , ako recimo namjestis 10A , on kod opterecenja i ako je vec od 10A drzi 10A kroz motor,


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